:crazy: Be interesting when that gets caught in a snag. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Tangles in braid are horrible things to sort out and i think that braid is more prone to tangles. :laugh::laugh::laugh: Hi John, as for that near record fish that i dropped for you, i was taken back by the elastic properties of your trace. We all use braid on my boat for uptiding in the Bristol Channel. Hi John, excellent read, the banter made up for the lack of fish, Steve cooked those onions to perfection, he should be on Master Chef. Braids are more expensive. :fish::fish: Now now, lets get this right, I think the words DIRTY TRICKS come to mind, firstly the fact that John (Aquabell) could only be bothered to set 1 rod up for himself, was a ploy to leave himself with an excuse "we wasn't fishing as many rods as you 2", the fact we had 3 against 2 in the banter stakes, John-Steve-Alan Vs Myself-John, we was under constant duress from the mono-tones, "don't cut yourself on the piano wire lads", "rusting line" etc etc. Braid can cut through your finger like cheese wire. 4 Braid cannot be used efficiently on a multiplier reel, especially for long-range casting. Mono is More Buoyant than Braid Due to a relatively low density, monofilament line floats — at first anyway. 15lb braid is going to be hard to manage on a casting reel for anyone and if you are having trouble with 50lb braid then I would suggest trying like 10-12kb mono to start. Quite stiff, especially in … Hope this helps. braid defeats the object of uptiding...you want the line to catch in the tide thus pulling you weight into the seabed putting a lovely bend in your rod tip ....braid will work but mono is better downtiding braid rules cutting through the tide meaning you need a fraction of the weight to hold bottom that mono requires Try both of them out and see for yourself which one you prefer. A forum community dedicated to fishing and boat owners and enthusiasts. Ps, The rod has a new tip, so you can stop feeling guilty now John. think it is Paul Wells. knob . A few years ago Myself and Big Li fished in the Knuckle on Dover Breakwater around November time. Mono has the better potential to catch the tide and keep the bow in the line, of which of course you need for uptiding or cheaper thick braid. Once you breach that finish, the line is compromised." Re match sounds good, we could then the debate the virtues of uptide versus downtide, the various combinations are limitless. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mono holds my jig up in the water longer since it doesn’t sink. The power advantage of braid is obvious. Will the rest of the crew be mates or strangers? Braid has much less line friction compared to mono so requires more turns in order to not unravel compared to what is needed with a “mono to mono” connection. My Confidence in mono gives a slight edge over braid for me,,just my experience in the waters I fish. Sinks; Mono is cheaper than braid, yard for yard – although braid might be cheaper in the long run (more about this later). Sounds like you had some fun out there John. Many thanks Simon or should i ring skipper ? Hey guys, Just wanna know what you guys like to use for fishing off the rocks, ive always used 25-30lb mono as i worry that the braid will be easily cut on rocks, also have had problems with line twists around my rig when using braid,when i wind in its tangled around the hook and sinker, this is one of the main reasons ive chosen to always use mono. However, what really sets braid apart from mono is how they compare when it comes to diameter. On a neap tide, even 20lb I use will hold the boat for a bit. You need some mono on top to hold the line in the clip. This is where line diameter comes into play - the diameter is what “catches” water and is the resistance. If you’ve hung around your local marinas long enough, chances are you’ve heard the debate between monofilament and braided line for bass fishing with topwaters. tried the braid on a boat out of dungy,uptiding in 140 feet of water.held bottom no problem..could see every little tap and nibble,things you dont see with mono....skipper said he had seen some very big fish lost on braid...and if you get a birds nest ,then it is game over.i have not used braid since. Come join the discussion about fishing guides, bait, safety, gear, tackle, tips, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Similar problems exist with braid jamming in its own coils when uptiding with braid and a multiplier from the boat. Mono may be affordable but it degrades faster than braid. Mono is transparent in the water so the fish are less likely to see it. Mono has a lot of give due to it's elasticity. I much prefer mono for straylining. Braid vs Mono for Surf Fishing. If you have equal rated braid vs mono (in lbs), the braid will allow the lure to run deeper. Mono is less expensive than braid, but it is also very sensitive to salinity, heat, humidity, and sunlight, making it deteriorate rapidly after a few months of use. How many of you use braid + mono leader for poppers and walking baits with good success for top water ? Click here to read about the best spinning reels and here to … could be a sticking point if the latter. You should change your mono every season whereas braid can last for 3-4 seasons and more. ... Im trying to cut down on having straight mono and FC line types by using braid as a mainline , then adding the proper leader type based on application (i.e. top water / mono) . Hi All , before someone says look at old posts i have and still not sure what would be best for Bristol channel any channel regulars got an opinion . For me the advantage is the braid lasts a really long time and lays nice on and off the spool. I use both mono and braid,, depends on the set-up for me..Floats or no floats, current or no current,,etc. Send Private Message. Nothing really unless in very deep water where the low stretch comes into effect. Bronze Joined: 07 Jun 2004 Status: Offline Points: 51 I have heard from so many that braid is the preferred choice when jigging for kingfish which I agree with. Being slightly permeable, monofilament will absorb a small amount of water over time, causing the line to slowly sink. 5 Mono is available in a range of bright colours – ideal for field casting. Further, braid has less abrasion resistance than monofilament. Braid. Mono bunch sabotaged Brady bunch tackle, and giant cod catch !!! Mono is cheaper and has more stretch which helps out in a few different circumstances. Anyway, where I'm going with this is I'm thinking about running braid with a similar diameter to 30lb mono (something like 130lb) just to ensure it runs through the guides properly. That's because pound for pound, braid has a much smaller diameter than monofilament does. In the Bristol Channel we have the second biggest tides in the world & they will put plenty of pressure on braid. Although diameters vary, 10 lb mono has the same diameter as 30lb braid. Heavier (bigger diameter) line will not dive as deep. You can use really strong braid to reduce fish breaking off. Much bigger diameter than braid for similar breaking strength. think its more a case of diameter mate .35 you wont go wrong for some lines thats 15lb while others it can be as much 20lb hope it helps. Do you modify your ringing on the rod to accomodate the fixed spool? Braid combats line twist better than mono or fluoro, and if used in lighter pound tests, it will outcast them as well. I’ve lost a few big fish due to mono breakoffs and have more confidence that the line won’t break with braids like suffix or fireline. Bearing in mind fishing the outside of the breakwater is still uptiding, the results of this exercise always put me off uptiding with braid for cods on my boat .To this day I still use mono for uptiding and braid for downtiding on the boat and will not use it … Members Profile. However, here’s one drawback to using braid: it’s complicated to put on a spinning reel. I use 30lb straight through, no leader required as it's only a lob up tide, and no leader means 1 less knot to give, pick up weed, get stuck on the tip ring when retrieving or the level wind when casting. I think if you were a Sun Journalist you could write. I was experimenting with the new breed of braided lines ,on this particular day i was using an Ultima braid, Lionel was using Ultima Tournament mono. Braided line has a ton of benefits, including increased casting distance, thinner diameter, it’s stronger than mono of the same test, and it allows you to feel every nibble and twitch of your bait or lure. Braid will also allow for better sensitivity as it has less stretch than mono. This will make you visit the fishing shop more often to get a new line, and in the long run, it is possible to spend more money in mono than you would spend if you bought braid in the first place, which makes the braid the most profitable option. :doh: how about catching some fish??? 03-29-2020, 03:57 PM #3. In recent years, uptide rods have become more like modern beach casters with unsuitable (imho) power tips. Braid diameter is much thinner for the comparable breaking strains. I run 50 lb braid with 30-40 ft of 30# mono top shot on mooching reels and slow action rods. Add to Buddy List. Today’s anglers use braid for numerous applications — not only for its tensile strength, but because of the way it behaves on the spool, particularly with spinning reels. Mono sinks much better than braid does, which helps if you have a light current in your swim or very wary fish. I think having a rod with each mono and braided line is a good idea. "Braid's strength is straight up and down," says John Drouet, sales manager for HiLiner (Diamond Fishing Products). Wrecking is pretty hard on lines and braid doesn't go huge on abrasion. Mono is also far more abrasion resistant. Sometimes she lets me go fishing:clap3: Definately mono for me. Before going into specifics, here are the main obvious differences in braid over mono: Braid has less stretch. IMO its the one time you actually want the tide to pull your line hard rather than cut through it. Bearing in mind fishing the outside of the breakwater is still uptiding, the results of this exercise always put me off uptiding with braid for cods on my boat .To this day I still use mono for uptiding and braid for downtiding on the boat and will not use it ever from the beach!!. :crazy: I tried braid for up tiding in the bristol channel around 4 years ago and have used it ever since, although the fused braid seems better than the woven to cast and lasts longer. Every day I live with fear. 100 lb braid ,I have a shop and have never stocked it or been asked for it!!! It's so thin that it won't make a huge difference in the tide flow. A soft tip rod is far better but i'd say thats the same for using braid or mono. We had a week with Shaun Anning out of Watchet, 8 of us, six on mono, two on braid, all using 8oz grip leads, none of us had any problems. just imagine the pull needed to break it. Quote Reply Topic: kingfish tatics, braid or mono Posted: 22 Aug 2007 at 8:02pm. Braided line, made up of hundreds of small fibers, soaks up water very quickly and sinks right away. The thinner the braid the more it will dig in. While I disagree with most of what you have said, it is not the point of my post to debate who is right or wrong. The ability to crank and pull logs off the bottom, big pike, or whatever else is something a #30 braid can do, but certainly not a #8 mono. Once bitten,twice shy an all that!! Braids are more tangle prone. Anyone use a pennel? What strengths /diameter do you favour? Not only does the mono catch the tide better i find that braid can some times be harder to cast in windy conditions and a birds nest in braid is a big problem. I keep several rigs spooled up with both types.. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Dreaming of Norwegian Cod and Haddock.:busted_co. Find Members Posts. Braid also does not hold some knots as well, because it’s slicker than mono (learn to tie a uni knot). Glad its settled- that's conclusive then . Re: Mono or Braid For Crank Baits « Reply #20 on: January 12, 2019, 11:22:07 AM » Went to flouro and havent looked back.Missouri is one big rock.It handles them really well. The age old question, is braid or mono better, or should I use braid or mono? On the other hand, Pure Fishing's Norris ranks the abrasion resistance of braid higher than mono — of equivalent diameter. 50lb braid is "standard" for frogging but it will still dig in on a big hookset or if you try to pull out a snag with the rod. the thought of trying to 'pull for a break' when snagged would put the fear of every god under the sun into me!!! "Braid breaks down when the fibers abrade. The results were spectacular,conclusive and were not what We expected- Myself using braid could catch only dogs ,and lots of them, Lionel on the other hand caught only cods and lots of them !! Mono is more affordable than braid. Abrasion resistance is very important when fishing over a rocky or snaggy bottom. Re: braid The strength of the braid wont affect the stretch overly UHMWPE (Ultra high molecular weight polyethylene) the stuff most modern super braids are made from won't stretch much different 10lb or 100lb. Hi Fella if you are fishing down the side of the boat use nylon cast towards the bow of the boat and feel for the lead hitting bottom then lets loads of line out to form a big bow then put the reel back in gear the tide should put a nice bend in your rods tip if you are fishing off the stern you can use braid just lowwer your bait down and bounce your bait down tide you do this by leaving your reel in free spool and cover the spool with your thumb again once you feel bottom clamp down lift your rod let line out until you feel bottom and repeat until you get a take some times you dont feel the bite its when you lock the spool you feel the extra weight on your line just click the reel into gear and wind in slowly do not pump the fish just keep steady pressure on and it will come towards you shout out Fish-On this should get the skipper ready with the gaff just going back when fishing over the side your rod tip should have a nice bend in the tip should you get a slack-line bite your rod tip will spring back just pick your rod up and wind in fast until you can feel the fish dont strike just wind in slowly keeping pressure on the fish hope this helps you its a great way to catch fish bait wise take squid blacks cart and mussel and razor tightlines Alain, braid defeats the object of uptiding...you want the line to catch in the tide thus pulling you weight into the seabed putting a lovely bend in your rod tip ....braid will work but mono is better, Thanks for the answers fellas , confirmed what i thought mono it is cheers Simon. Did the Braidy Bunch complain foul with the broken rod tip eye, cant remember. i have just loaded up all my reel's with 100lb .55mm bread and it work's for me :1a: 100lb Braid , I take it not for these shores then:bb: Jeez!! For Your free copy of 'The Bait Pumpers Bible' or for any bait pumping questions, please email Me at the following address (please note my new email address), VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. It also means i rarely have to use over 5oz of lead except in the biggest of tide runs. Each type of line has specific uses, according to Marty Stone. A fixed-spool reel is the answer in both cases. Here are the basics: Braid will allow you to fit more line on your spool, therefore, having more line or heavier lb test to fight a fish. Question for those guys using mono for uptiding. We swapped rigs, swapped peg positions ,baits and even rods but the results were still the same- braid = dogs/mono= cods !!!!! Braid is strong and sensitive, but not invisible, while mono is stretchy, invisible, and cheap, but also thick, has memory, and not very strong. With a slow action rod and a bit of mono you'll have plenty of forgiveness with the braid. Tarlach. Hi Mate, Mono for uptiding and braid for down tide. Come join the discussion about fishing guides, bait, safety, gear, tackle, tips, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! JavaScript is disabled. JavaScript is disabled. Imafisher46. Mono has the better potential to catch the tide and keep the bow in the line, of which of course you need for uptiding or cheaper thick braid. Braid is much more resistant to abrasions, which means that you'll never have to lose sleep again thinking about the one that got away. With mono you get a good bend in your rod and you also get more instances where the fish hooks itself as once once freed from the bed by the fish your lead heads off down tide hooking the fish as it does so. Braid is thin. I would think unless a weak link is used, almost certainly cutting it, would be required:whistling. A forum community dedicated to fishing and boat owners and enthusiasts. 2011 Species: Whiting, 5 bearded rockling, dab, codling, flounder, http://s495.photobucket.com/albums/rr314/col175/, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy! I've checked out the Avet pro 30, and with that reel I'll be able to get 500m of braid and a small top shot on. It has a much smaller diameter than mono and this has a lot of benefits. For me mono in those coditions but braid sure does pay when after bream and plaice on the boat , you are able to feel every tug and pull. My view is that they both work, I like pred-stretched mono .35dia, Tubertini Blue is a good one, use a leader. 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