this hard coat also has Teflon . Even the nose of the slide & barrel doen’t lose it’s finish. I am aware of the problems Glock has had with the GEN 4…basically took a page out of Apple’s playbook and decided to let the first several thousand users/purchasers beta test their product. Its everything you would … mainly bring something new to the market and 2.) (yet 20 and 21 Frames and Slided are still larger > than 9/40 and Glock still has to make a dedicated Simunition Model?) That release in my opinion should absolutely not be used for carry. Thanks all for the numerous and well thought out replies. The recoil sensations are different, but I can’t say one is really worse than the other. The safeties do not impress me. I have never had the same confidence in any other type of semi automatic. According to Glock, the new finish is slightly harder. Bought a Glock 17 Gen 3 several months ago. 3. Shoot them against a .45 ACP loaded with 230 gr. gen 1, 2, and 3 will interchange, but gen 4 is gen 4 only.. They’ve kept me safe for almost 20 years. 2018 Alien Gear Holsters. I had my Model 23 – Compact Generation 3 Glock (40 caliber) stolen awhile back and need to replace with something of the same model and caliber. I say let Cali Drop into the sea where they all belong!! I do occasionally shoot left handed just in case I have a need if my right arm is incapacitated. Back to the GEN 3 v. GEN 4: my GEN 3 enjoys an advantage in reliability at present and a nicer trigger pull. I’ll be book-marking and checking back frequently! Gen 3 finishes were tennifer with a Black Oxide top coat. “if they made the grip size the same as a 1911 they’d sell lots more pistols”. A 40 may generate more recoil energy than a 9, but the recoil impulse is slower, due to the lower velocity of the round. I find the gen-4 not as cozy Probably in my head. Here is my thought about the new model Glocks what ever the number. The reason the slide on Glock/SIG/HK/S&W/Taurus/whoever is thicker than a 1911, CZ 75, Browning P-35 is entirely to do with how the pistol locks. It appears I’m more accurate with the GEN4 because of it. No mention of the two spring recoil system leading the shooter to be more prone with limp wristing? Once the extractor was broken in,perfection. I own Glocks 22/24/27/35 for carry and competition. I got it after Glock worked the bugs out of the spring and it is sensational. I love the gun now, but… after purchasing it I brought it home to breakdown/clean before taking to the range – I pulled out the recoil spring/guide rod assembly and barrel, reached to grab some supplies and “TING!”, the captured recoil spring assembly shot across my room in pieces. The last bit was popular, as the RTF2 stipling was made standard across the whole Gen 4 Glock line. We shoot alot of ammo and with the proper ammo vs. spring combination there are no complaints down here. It has the newest "dot" connector and let me tell you, it works. People need to deflate their egos, and drain some testosterone. I deal with the one of the bigest p olice distributers in tennessee.I get feal good deals on 22,s especially.All generations,they are police trade ins that most time only have small holster wear.Give me a call,scott-865/748/4601. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. The Generation 4 gun is visually similar to that of a Generation 3 with the exception of Gen 4 actually being written on the slide. I can shoot Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glocks just fine, but many who are prone to limp wristing have the issue highly exaggerated when shooting a Gen 4 double recoil spring. I have small to average hand size for a man, but never experianced any problems with grip. I had lots of Glock owners tell me what I needed to do with the weapon. Did I waste my money on my new G35?  Let’s find out…. This isn’t about your venerable Colt Series 70 Gold Cup (Semi Custom gun)! And we know how many Law Enforcment Agents and Military Personal that carry role pin punchs in the field.LOL Plus no matter which insert you put in, the frame fills the same. The good news is that Glock offers a free single spring conversion kit if you call and ask. OK, if you see anything about this new Generation 4 that is a dramatic change, it’s the new recoil system.  In the Gen 1 – Gen 3 models, Glock used the same recoil spring / guide rod for 9mm, .40 S&W, and the .357 Sig guns.  While Glock .40’s lasted, far longer than I expected with that system, it made for a very snappy recoil.  So much so that even I started feeling it after a full day of shooting.  It was also rough on the guns. As for the tac light issue i haven’t seen any problems yet. Glock is ALL about sales! My opinion was, rather than spend another $1000 to make it controllable, I just would not buy another. I bought my butt ugly Glock because of their history of reliability. Glock Gen 4 improvements weren't nothing, but didn't exactly reinvent the wheel. But this old Army Ranger knows quality when he sees it, and these Gen 4s arent even close! Any kid can fire this gun so I keep it out of reach of little hands. Shoot what you like. A dual recoil spring was added for better shooting as well. That's a plus if the standard pistol doesn't have the best fit out of the gate. Alien Gear Holsters is bent on crafting the worlds best concealed carry holsters on the planet. to bring something to market to be more similar to, well, at least certain things to be similar to (like the ability to change out the grip strap and the as you put it, more business look finish in order to help it to compete better with the XD’s and M&P’s from it’s competition who have finally started making a dent or if you prefer, taking a bite out of their profit margin, from the LE market that GLOCK for quite sometime has had a solid grip on (pun intended). Surely not a 3.5lb right? What you think? That’s worth considering since my GEN 3 wears the stock connector and the GEN 4 wears a Ghost 4.5 connector…and is still heavier. What koolaid do you drink? I’m left handed, but shoot right hand. Stop drinking the Glock KOOLAID!! starve them out of all guns, including LEO’s. The new system effectively tamed the snappiness of the .40 S&W.  It isn’t necessarily less recoil; it just feels different.  Instead of the snap up you’re used to, the recoil feels much more like it’s directed straight back with far, far less muzzle rise.  This was not as pronounced in the long-slide G35’s, but was very evident in the Glock 22 Gen 4 I tried.  I was able to make easy “triple taps” with the Gen 4 G22, whereas this was far from easy to do accurately in my old issue Gen 3. I suppose that means I can put in a heavier one if I decide to. I can see and feel the difference when compared to my old GEN2. (Ruger’s last few, as well as the 1911 come to mind. The other down side is that while this system was made for the .40 S&W and .357 Sig guns, the 9mm needed a little tweaking.  The 9mm has less momentum in recoil, and the same springs didn’t work for both the hotter calibers and the easier 9mm.  Glock has corrected this with springs specific to the 9mm guns. The Glock’s required a “Permanemt” Conversion inorder to cycle in semi-auto. Need Help Filtering. Glocks are certainly not my favorite pistols to shoot, but the 19 is my current choice for a CCW because it manages to squeeze its 15 rounds into a space roughly the same size as my P7 for about 500 bucks. But then also, on a side note, I and my Gen. 3 Model 35 always have and always will be able to handle the “snap” from the recoil of the .40S&W. There FAILING with Law Enforcment, and we all know POLICE DEPTs issue Garrbage ammo for their officers lifes to deppend on!! I started shooting in ’60 and bought my first Glock at the end of ’80… I sold most of my other pistols shortly thereafter and haven’t looked back. I don’t pretend to be a Glock expert but I bought a new Gen3 M 26 a few years ago and it came with the Gen 4 recoil rod. GLOCK Gen4 pistols come with a modular back strap system, allowing you to choose the back strap that best fits your grip without changing your grip angle. My other Glock is a G-26 Gen 3 model and I love that as well. Well, better is very, very relative. The Glock Gen 3 series features a single recoil spring, as opposed to the double spring of the Gen 4 and Gen 5 series. Comon really?? I could have sworn I’ve been to this It either fits you or it doesn't and there's not much to help it if that's the case short of an aftermarket frame. I must put my review in now because I just picked up a Gen4 Glock 22. Glock also changed the extractor so that it would stick out when the gun was loaded, thereby acting as a loaded chamber indicator. Which is better? I bought a Glock in 40 S&W years ago. Gen4 - Safe Action Pistols Compare (0) Compare. Get a room hahahahah. I believe the Gen 4 is better suited for lefties tan right handers. The process cannot be used in the U.S. because of EPA regulations, so it is done in Austria and the parts are shipped into the country already treated. Buffalochip1. The 1911 is the king in some very specific and small demographics, but when is the last time you saw a 1911 on a LEO’s hip? Because I like the new gripping on the Gen 4 I called Glock to ask them when they would be offering the Gen 4-20 (10mm) and they said mid 2012 so I thought to wait for it to come out. This is one of the features that moved Glock to the head of the pack. connector on the old Glock 19 is not reliable and should be replaced with an 8 lb unit. Any thoughts on the Glock 20 sf? No further problems. I purchased a Glock 17 in 1989. (Some lady cop from Springfield MO had the most worn glock I ever saw, I swear she must have fired that thing two or three hundred thousand rounds). And yes there are Gen 4 Glocks out there with zero problems. The first thing I noticed is my newest gen 4 is incredibly smooth and has the best trigger on any of my Glock handguns. He resides in the great Inland Northwest, with his wife and child. I need to say that I am impressed by the new GEN4 upon my first shoot. All Rights Reserved. But it became the success that it is today because it just worked (that, and the VP70 had a terribl… You must have JavaScript enabled in your browser to utilize the functionality of this website. David Wright US ARMY RANGERS 11th BRAVO, Thank for the honesty SGT. I guess there is not much money to be made…. she enjoys her 9mm, so no worries there. The Glock Generation 3 guns are very basic, in that they give you everything you need and nothing you don't. Whether they matter enough to spend a little more for the Gen 4...is up to you. I was not able to bring it back to the states with me this spring, so when i came home I ordered a glock 23 gen 4. I think the new recoil assembly is a solution in search of a problem. Those who never owned one that finally decide to get one, may be doing so because of the new Gen4 features ? The problem with Glocks effort to improve opon Glocks original design , was a after thought at best!! His varied interests and hobbies include camping, fishing, hunting, and spending time at the gun range as often as possible. I have found two in ordering fifty of them. Excellent article. PolyDAT Precision Gen 1-4 Trigger 9/40. I recently bought a 17l and have had many problems with it feeding. It was my first Glock and after being a glock hater for years I loved it after the first day at the range. I think the g4 is an improvement.When you buy a new gen4 I recommend breaking in with heavy grain ammo, dont limp wrist and definetly clean it and lube it first like you should anyway. Glock says it is almost as hard as diamonds, and that it actually bonds with the steel. Company. I was averaging a malfunction around every 300 rounds…it looks like that interval is opening up as the recoil spring softens a bit, but time will tell. In any case I love my Glock Gen4’s. Have I solved my problem or should I look deeper? I love Glocks. The only thing I have done is replace the springs and went with a 20lb Wolff recoil spring and steel guidrod, which has seemed to tame the snappy recoil a bit. (1911 grips, am I right?) It had a stainless guide rod with what felt like a heavier spring weight. Time will tell if the GEN 4 manages to smooth out completely and if its trigger will improve to match the GEN 3 without additional effort. I purchased During that time I probably went through close to 500,000 rounds from glocks. My son has a Gen 4 G35 and I’ve shoot it quite a bit. THX. Very good information and comments. You have to remember that the average Police Officer comes to the profession with little if any handgun experience. Great article – very informative! Trigger action is not at all like it was originally. length of time in business as well as BBB reputation. A REAL REVEIW!! Those black, silky, Glocks did look sexy but Glock isn’t known for their looks. Come on B Hock! Other than that it is a great duty weapon. It was blocky looking, didn’t have the heft and feel of my Baretta M9. Becoming familiar as to how and where the gun shoots, is critical. I wonder what Glcok USA sent out in gen 3 glock 27s? I belive Glock has modified their finish for all new guns produced be they Gen 3 or 4. ne you get, you can’t go wrong they are both good and will serve you for the rest of your life if taken care of properly. These kits are available in the following configurations: As you've gathered so far, the differences between Glock Gen 4 vs Glock Gen 3 are moderate. To be fair I have never owned a Gen 3 simply rented a few to use on the range. it seems to me that anyone that has a prob.with a gen.3 glock or gen.4 and can’t hit what they are shooting at needs to get some pro help asap! HONESTY ALWAYS THE BEST POLICY!! Does the gen3 clock 22 mags fits the gen4 ?? Just Google Glock GEN 4 Failure videos, lots more every day pop up. G17 (original) is a GREAT gun, the other Glocks are AVERAGE at most. Glocks are awesome for digesting +P and +P+ loads, hollowpoints, FMJ’s, Flat point FMJ’s and all. Therefore a slim grip. And remember you may have to deppend on it with your life in ballance! PRINT. Gen 3 finishes were tennifer with a Black Oxide top coat. I liked my G17L but Hated Glock’s grip angle. I have a GEN 4 Glock 19 and a GEN 3 Glock 17. The Glock 17 has a more durable finish and requires less maintenance. Just make three different size grips. Its not about making a gun slimmer. Whatever, but not their gun! The Best !!!!! There is also the reversible magazine catch for lefties, which is a plus. If Glock had a 1911 grip angle, I would get it! Any planet. Recoil is the problem in both cases. Please tell me I didn’t spend my hard earned money on a Gen 4 that is lesser quality than Glock’s of the past. That said, those surface changes may make a difference to you. Shoot both if possible. The difference in the two finishes Gen 3 vs Gen 4 is the top coat ! They made the magazine release button a little bigger and made it swappable for left-handed users. to me. My first “fix” attempt will be to run a thousand or so dry fires with some snap caps, then put in the -.5lb competition spring and see if it helps. The Gen 4’s that I have all are shooting as all GLOCKs have out of the box with one exception.Less felt recoil and better target acquisition. If it is one of the older slick griped ones put a Glock sock on it if you want finger groves, but it does NOT matter for combat purposes. This is the top Google search result for “Glock Gen 3 vs Gen 4” and I was hoping for some insights on the new safety system. I called Glock just to see if I can get my Gen 2 G23 refinished. That said, those surface changes may make a difference to you. Ok thankyou for putting up my reply than yanking it down!!!! They are proven, without doubt, and truth be told don't really show their age from a certain perspective. The Gen 4 line, however, was explicitly referred to as Gen 4. Very frustrating. Comparing Gen 3 and Gen 4 … my m9 went away.the gen4 without backstraps is a smaller grip than the g3. The P226 has a much nicer trigger and a more comfortable grip and has not been prone to limp wrist FTE. Fast Forward to today, The 20 and 21s are very Large Firearms! a problem and are unreliable in my Gen 3 Glock 23. The GEN 4 does offer some nice bells and whistles, but it really doesn’t warrant a move from the GEN 3 if that’s already working for you, IMO. I wonder if Glock can make their guns slimmer? Glock promptly sent me another (informing my FFL that this issue was not common). The gun has not been on the market long enough to allow for any true AD rate analysis of the weapon. I have a Glock 22 Gen 3 that is about 10 years old with some decent volume rounds through it and am tempted to trade it for a new Gen 4 if accuracy is better - but the Gen 3 has been just about flawless and I don't want to trade into some Gen 4 issues. I’ll stick by my tried & true “Old Friends”. To me it is just another moving part that can “shift”, I said in my previous statement that are local police had well over 500 guns GEN 4 G22 in 40S&W recalled from Glock and replaced them with GEN 3 G21s in 45 ACP!! GLOCK has shown itself to be an innovative firearms company that has changed the paradigm of pistol design and manufacture forever. Will be getting a Glock 35 Gen 4 tomorrow. Well, we’ve all seen the commotion about Glock’s new “Gen 4” version of their line of pistols. Some like it, some, well let’s just say aren’t jumping for joy. That shouldn’t be a surprise. My Gen2, Gen2.5, and Gen 3 have had 18,000 rounds of anything I could feed them, and they ate it up like they havent eaten in years, even Winchester white box by the thousands, so stop TELLING storries, sounds like this reveiw was typed by Glocks ADD DEPT. Did you have both eyes closed while you were pointing? However, the recoil spring assembly is a double spring system like the Gen 4 guns. Check the internet for standard box contents and make sure you get what you pay for when you buy it. They are great shooting, accurate guns that are built to last ! I have not been a fan of backstraps. The new coating that one reader commented on is also of interest to me. Both are excellent designs. And if you couldn’t or can’t handle the recoil of the .40S&W after a day at the range, I sure hope you then don’t own a 1911. This isn’t too surprising, as most new models always seem to need tweaks. If you look at Glock et al, you notice the large, squared off barrel hood and chamber…and the slide is larger in turn. Personnally, I liked the RTF 2 finish. Glock pistols of this generation added the finger grooves - some love 'em, some hate 'em - and the Universal Glock Rail to the dust cover of the frame. All of this is a bit funny to me. If not I will use the medium. It wasn’t the first of its kind, sure — that honor belongs to the H&K VP70which was produced in Germany in 1970. On the Gen 4’s, after numerous rackings of the slide there is absoulutely no finish loss at the ejection port end of the barrel ! Generation 4 magazines. The Gen 3 pistols have been in production for 20 years. If thin is what you are looking for in a 9mm from Glock…Try the 17L. Gen 3 vs Gen 4. Does Glock have a factory outlet that sells used Glock Models? Initially Glock Austria was blaming the problems on weak American ammo (SAAMI Spec.) Multiple agencies have already dumped Gen 4 Glocks due to problems. I have a Gen 4 G22, which I puchased shortly after they were introduced to the market. I just purchased aGlock 19 like the grips added the med back strap very good.negative comments: I don’t like the rear sight. I also own a SIG P220, P226 as well as an HK P7M8, CZ 75 Compact and a couple 1911s. I can say that all guns fit different in a persons hands. All other Glock models & generations I have had (past tense) were problematic indeed in sooo many ways. Glocks could handle a limited amount of these with a cleaning directly after without trouble or harm to the gun. But the finish now used, no name! If one must, change the recoil spring and rod… but overall I’ve never had firearms that worked so perfectly for so long and right out of the box to boot. Then again some prefer the smooth grip frame. The gun would still fire but that is another story. a M&P .40 and prefer it to the Glock. It’s the first pistol I’ve ever seen that needed to break in. I have carried an original Glock19 and Glock21 for 20+ years on duty and off, neither has ever failed me. When your wrist is straight, front and rear sights don’t match up. One reason I purchased it is it’s more lefty friendly. We had a gen 3 19 there as well You'll have to get out and handle both. Well the chickens have come home to roost. ?LOL ofcourse there having all kinds of FTF, FTE promblems! However you omitted one major improvement the new look is a new hard coating on the metal that is impregnated into the molecules of the steel.I believe Glock calls it Tennifer. We have already seen the need to retrofit the 9mm Glocks with a different (weaker) recoil assembly. SOCOM barely even uses them anymore. No malfunctions yet with cheapy plinking rounds. But if you really want some advice, use the extra money to buy ammunition. Everything else remained the same, and in fact remained the same going into the Glock Gen 4 guns. The Glock 19 is a compact polymer framed, locked-breech, double stacked, 9mm’s with no external hammer, and is one of the most popular of the Glock models, which is impressive given such entries as the Glock 17 and the Glock 26.For many, it is the go-to-gun for concealed carry and self-defense purposes. The dual recoil spring...may extend the service life of the spring itself, but whether it really reduces felt recoil at all is quite subjective. Glock makes some minor revisions every so often to their basic design, leading to a new "generation" about every 10 years or so. Would like to see Glock do what is right, they have by me however for as long as I owned their products. There are flaws with everything. Second, this Gen4 now works well for me in a modified weaver stance. I have considered an SF Glock .45 ACP, because my hands are small. Good thing our Gunsmiths Certified Seracoater (hope i spelt that correctly)Lol. And yes, I’m of the prefer the Gen. 3 if it aint broke don’t fix it group. This is a little comparison video of the Glock 22 and Glock 23. And by steel I meant/mean stainless steel. This was a big deal when placing groups on the target. To answer your question, NO Glock didnt pay for there SO CALLED REVEIW, but lets face it, you guys SELL GUNS, DUHH. 2. That’s why I have always wanted a Glock but because of the grip angle I never purchased one. It will greatly reduce friction on moving parts and will increase the durability and protect the surface finish.Add this to your article and it will have every improvement of the Gen 4. lol. I replaced it with a standard Glock guide rod and spring, got an enlarged slide release and things seem to run fine now (200 trouble free rounds today). Along with all the standard models such as the Glock 19 Gen 4, the fourth generation of Glock pistols also introduced the Glock 43. Buffalo Bore makes a 255 gr 45 acp +P load that im dying to try out, it would make a great hard hitting carry load ! These are the “usual” weapons I would compare a Glock with if I bought one. I purchased the RTF2 G22 works and fells great. I am buying a 26 and was wondering whether to shell out the extra for the G4 or just go with the G3. I must say my glock has never let me down. And no, while I am not paid by Glock, I am a fan of their guns. Does that sound like an PROBLEM is occuring?? (Somehow Springfield got there 45 ACP down to about the same size as there 9 and 40s? That is correct. It also has to do with exacting tolerances to deal with “Pressure”. It was the first .40 S&W weapon I ever owned. Failures seemed to be more because of “pilot error” than any fault with the gun. A shame. Then the 36. Considering the likely sales volume generated by Cali’s 40 million people, $30,000 is peanuts. Yep, you are bigger and badder than everyone else because you have big hands? ... ETS MAGAZINE For Glock 22 40SW $ 17.31. The difference had to due with “Pressure” tolerances and requirements given the polymer frames sightly expand or buldge out when fired. Generation 5 magazines Just a few weeks ago, my FFL called me and told me that he had been hearing of some other issues similiar to what I first experienced. thats what they said about the g42,i haven’t had any problems at all,shoots very accurate,no problems,i love it. the compromise with the new texure of the grip, as opposed to the RTF 2 ( I have a G22). Tryed a couple of different tac lights and found one that works well. It does however have the new finish on it ? When the first Glock pistol (Glock 17) was released in Austria in 1982, it caused quite a sensation. LOL Most people who arleady own Gen 1, 2, or 3 Glocks will most likely buy a Gen 4. The 1911 is .45 yet it is slimmer than a Glock in 9mm. If I carried a Glock I NEW it would work everytime. Caught it too late. 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